Helmet Modifications

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Helmet Modifications

Postby mikes » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:30 am

For those of you that may have attended the Impreza WRX club of Victoria event at Phillip Island on Sunday 5th July, you may recall at the drivers briefing the Scrutineer discussing helmets and a recent article in the july edition of the CAMS SpeedRead publication.

The publication can be located here

On Pages 39 & 40 it discusses in detail about helmets and modifications including cosmetic additions such as painting and decals.

The Chief Scrutineer has stated that moving forward, if a driver cannot produce evidence that the helmet has had the painting/decals carried out according to the instructions provided by the manufacturer when the helmet was certified, the helmet will not pass scruitineering.
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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby KuRT12 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:01 am

Just after i put the WRX sticker on my helmet :sad:
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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby DANS-14 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:36 pm

So is the fact that the ASA... sticker is over the design painted on the helmet enough?

Or the fact that the clear coat is over the design?

It seems to me that they are not giving us any guidance on what evidence IS acceptable either?? :wall:

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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby Pleiades » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:12 pm

I reckon , thats good proof, i would take it.
This is not an old issue , been going on for years.
Check old forums.
CAMS have just refreshed the paint on it ;-)
Nice that CAMS are getting better distribution of info like this using SpeedRead.
Professionally done paint jobs sourced via reputable helmet supplier are fine.
But the ones on IceBums probably cost a mint.
Its just lots of new dumbo's are doing their own.


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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby KevO-954 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:06 pm

DANS-14 wrote:So is the fact that the ASA... sticker is over the design painted on the helmet enough?

Or the fact that the clear coat is over the design?

It seems to me that they are not giving us any guidance on what evidence IS acceptable either?? :wall:


Dan you will find that the concern is that the paint chemicals etc will have a damaging effect to the helmet outer eg cause brittleness, you are not even allowed to put a sticker on a helmet in case the adhesive reacts with the helmet. :surrender

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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby DANS-14 » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:16 pm

Hi Kev,

I was at the briefing and I'm aware of the reasoning, which I'm fine with.

This issue I have is the onus being on me to 'prove' that my helmet has not been modified since manufacture. I have a helmet that I bought new a few years ago now that came with some graphics on it. I have not had it painted, stuck anything on it or modified it in any way.

Given it seems I'm 'guilty until proven innocent' I'm trying to find out exactly what kind of proof is acceptable? I would think the certification sticker being over the graphic would suffice, but I'd rather not find out at the shed at Winton that it is not good enough nervous

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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby KuRT12 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:29 am

DANS-14 wrote:... but I'd rather not find out at the shed at Winton that it is not good enough nervous


Winton is going to be run under AASA.
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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby KevO-954 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:27 pm

DANS-14 wrote:Hi Kev,

I was at the briefing and I'm aware of the reasoning, which I'm fine with.

This issue I have is the onus being on me to 'prove' that my helmet has not been modified since manufacture. I have a helmet that I bought new a few years ago now that came with some graphics on it. I have not had it painted, stuck anything on it or modified it in any way.

Given it seems I'm 'guilty until proven innocent' I'm trying to find out exactly what kind of proof is acceptable? I would think the certification sticker being over the graphic would suffice, but I'd rather not find out at the shed at Winton that it is not good enough nervous


Hey Dan,

If your helmet has graphics from new it is usually obvious that it was manufactured like that, I have an Arai with graphics that has the clear coat over it and over the Arai stickers and only the AS..., SNELL and model number stickers are on top of the clear coat.
A painted helmet is usually more obvious with AS... stickers masked over when painted leaving an edge, you will be fine. :wink:

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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby Lostprophet » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:58 pm

Has Cams by any chance provided what is acceptable forms of evidence?
My helmet is completely wrapped with vinyl.
I have requested info from Bell as to what are their standards for decals and vinyl, but something tells me that I wont get anything back from them.
In an ironic twist I have to prove to Cams that my helmet is up to the manufactures standards to be wrapped in the SAME vinyl that is used by the manufacturer to put their brand sticker on the helmet.
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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby closed deck » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:07 am

How would any scrutineer know that there is not damage under the vinyl wrap or stickers.
They need to be able to inspect the helmet. If its covered over then how do they do their job.
If its painted from factory then Im sure you would be able to find some pics from the manufacturers web site
print out a page and bring it with you.

The police have been enforcing this with motorcyclists for the last 30 years so its nothing new.
From what I have been told it started with a police motorcyclists helmets cracking in an accident
underneath the checkered band sticker that used to go around the helmets.

Ive seen damaged helmets with stickers over the gouges and a home made cage so poorly welded the owner
put chewing gum on the holes in the welds and then painted over them.

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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby Lostprophet » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:13 am

If I was stupid enough to cover up a damaged helmet, then I would deserve the consiquence of what could happen.
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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby KuRT12 » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:03 am

It's usually pretty obvious when a helmet comes like that from the factory.

But yes Kiel - unfortunately i think you will find it very difficult to obtain sufficient evidence to satisfy the scrutineer the helmet is OK with aftermarket stickers.

I can understand the reasoning behind the reinforcement of this rule. We just want to make everyone aware of it so they arent caught out next event with a stickered/painted helmet.
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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby Pleiades » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:39 pm

Lost, you have wrapped your helmet, or it has been bought wrapped?
If you have wrapped it, no matter what the vinyl is, it should have been failed already!,,!
Actually even it is same vinyl used for Bells stickers I would. Large difference between small spot and whole helmet. Plus it would influence the deformation etc. think of it like a modern car that crushes to take up the impacts force.
Also like above, scrutineers are supposed to check for signs of damage on inspection.
And! If you were killed or damaged wearing such a helmet, with covered up damage.
Whilst its your stupidity that caused it. I would not like to be the one ( official or from club) explaining why at the coroners court.



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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby Finallyhave1 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:44 pm

Im still laughing at the course marshalls response to the running order question [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

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Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby KuRT12 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:45 pm

Finallyhave1 wrote:Im still laughing at the course marshalls response to the running order question [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

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Re: RE: Re: Helmet Modifications

Postby Finallyhave1 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:01 pm

KuRT12 wrote:[quote="Finallyhave1"]Im still laughing at the course marshalls response to the running order question [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY][FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

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