WRX Motorsport 2016

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby KuRT12 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:25 pm

Lostprophet wrote:Thanks for your response Kurt,
Going into next season I will be re-building my engine and seeing as I have to spend the money I am going to do it properly.
My idea was to put in a ej207 short block in. Now according to the mod sheet I would have to add an additional 30 points because its not the OEM one and puts me out of street.
The reason I want to put an ej207 is from all reports its a very tough block and frankly I dont have the money to rebuild an engine again.
What is your view on this ? As I see it, I don't see it being a gain as power output will be roughly the same apart from it being a new engine compared to my previous one that had done 350,000 Ks.

On another note is it right that on the mod sheet all Rexs from 2009 up are lumped into the one category?
Personally I don't think any of the new chassis rexes should be compared to earlier models. There are so many major improvements to the chassis that negate mods such as strut bars and sway bars.
once again just my 2 cents on the issue.. and maybe a buck more

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Kiel


Hello Kiel,

Technically, whilst it may not necessarily allow you more power in your setup it is an engine capable of more power which means people that have that motor for example may tend to tune more aggressively etc and squeeze more power out of it than say an EJ205.

We can all agree, the Ej207 is the best factory subaru motor produced! (coming from a ej257 owner hehe :lol: ).

Obviously the rules cant cater for every scenario, so what i would suggest is you fill out a mod-sheet and email it to Motorsport and we can discuss further.

RE: 2009+ at this stage they are categorised together... but will be something we investigate further for 2017. In factory form, the 2009-2014 is capable of more power which negates some of the handling improvements in the newer chassis.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby dbz » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:41 pm

KuRT12 wrote:
We can all agree, the Ej207 is the best factory subaru motor produced! (coming from a ej257 owner hehe :lol:).

RE: 2009+ at this stage they are categorised together... but will be something we investigate further for 2017. In factory form, the 2009-2014 is capable of more power which negates some of the handling improvements in the newer chassis.


good post From initial tuning results in Australia (not the US hmmm) it is looking like the EJ25 equipped WRXs are making more power than the MY15 FA20DIT WRXs,. So it does balance the playing field a little with the MY15 cars having better chassis out of the box.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby KuRT12 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:18 pm

Hello All,

Based on some feedback we have identified some errors in version 1.0 of the class calculator, and in addition to taking on board some feedback have made the following changes for V1.1;

- Some minor wording updates to suit BRZ's
- Tyre Calculation errors fixed (forester, brz & 01-05 wrx/sti)
- 96-00 STi Turbo points corrected (was 20, now 30)
- Addition of Non Subaru Engine option (engine swaps, v8 etc...)
- Correction to turbo calculation for H6 engines
- Super Sprint Class -> Open Class threshold reduced 10 points (was 560, now 550)
- Street Class -> Clubman threshold increased 20 points (was 110, now 130)

Calculator link in initial post is still active.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby blotto » Mon Dec 07, 2015 5:31 pm

Wow
So we go through mods sheet and points of my car, then you make changes to table, that absolutely rape me. Well done

Glad I shared info with you
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby Lostprophet » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:46 pm

KuRT12 wrote:Hello All,

Based on some feedback we have identified some errors in version 1.0 of the class calculator, and in addition to taking on board some feedback have made the following changes for V1.1;

- Some minor wording updates to suit BRZ's
- Tyre Calculation errors fixed (forester, brz & 01-05 wrx/sti)
- 96-00 STi Turbo points corrected (was 20, now 30)
- Addition of Non Subaru Engine option (engine swaps, v8 etc...)
- Correction to turbo calculation for H6 engines
- Super Sprint Class -> Open Class threshold reduced 10 points (was 560, now 550)
- Street Class -> Clubman threshold increased 20 points (was 110, now 130)

Calculator link in initial post is still active.

Thanks so much for having a look into this. Really appreciate the time and effort involved
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby KuRT12 » Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:09 pm

blotto wrote:Wow
So we go through mods sheet and points of my car, then you make changes to table, that absolutely rape me. Well done

Glad I shared info with you

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby closed deck » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:59 am

How will you tell an EJ205 from an EJ207 ?
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby KuRT12 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:19 am

closed deck wrote:How will you tell an EJ205 from an EJ207 ?


Hi Tony,

Good question - and a very difficult one.

Like with many modifications, we rely on self reporting. We can only scrutineer so much.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby closed deck » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:38 am

I personally think it may be beneficial to consider allowing people to run the 207 without any penalty.
Its a hard thing to enforce and all that will happen is the cheats will lie as usual and the honest competitors will
be disadvantage by their honesty.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby DANS-14 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:59 am

I don't think enforcement difficulty is a good reason not to give a penalty, it is not much different to a built/forged motor situation. There will always be some reliance on honesty I'm afraid. I do really like the transparency we will have going forward, which will greatly help with this I think.

There will always be winners and losers when changes are made and it will never be perfect in everyone's eyes.

On the whole I think Kurt and the team have done a great job to try and make things as fair as possible, and spread out the classes a bit. People need to remember that in the end you will mostly be racing against the same cars u were last time, aside from a few changes at the top or bottom.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby blotto » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:11 pm

Ready to step up a class Dan?
No better feeling than winning CC in 2 different classes.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby DANS-14 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:47 pm

It looks like I will be going up a class for next year as it happens... which I don't have a problem with.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby blackrex » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:59 am

Did the spreadsheet last night on my car, over 1200 points, definitely in race!
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby KuRT12 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:16 am

blackrex wrote:Did the spreadsheet last night on my car, over 1200 points, definitely in race!

:shock: :?:

How is that possible lol? or did the sheet bug out?

DANS-14 wrote:I don't think enforcement difficulty is a good reason not to give a penalty, it is not much different to a built/forged motor situation. There will always be some reliance on honesty I'm afraid. I do really like the transparency we will have going forward, which will greatly help with this I think.

There will always be winners and losers when changes are made and it will never be perfect in everyone's eyes.

On the whole I think Kurt and the team have done a great job to try and make things as fair as possible, and spread out the classes a bit. People need to remember that in the end you will mostly be racing against the same cars u were last time, aside from a few changes at the top or bottom.


Thanks Dan, appreciate the feedback.

Also 100% agree with you, just because its hard to scrutineer doesnt mean we shouldnt penalise it. If people cheat, and they get caught out, they will be disqualified.
Large risk to run to save a few points. With the sheets visible to all competitors, scrutiny will be much higher than it ever has!
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby closed deck » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:33 pm

How is anyone going to get caught unless you disassemble their motor?
Its a rule that will only penalise the honest competitors.
If you want people to continue racing they need to be able to afford to do so.
Replacing an inferior engine with a new inferior engine isnt going to achieve that.
There isnt much point in having rules if you cant enforce them.

I fully understand where Kiel is coming from.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby Kristian » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:20 pm

Have to rely on people being honest.... remember we can always lookup engine numbers if people believe someone is cheating
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby closed deck » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:29 pm

Engine number will tell you nothing. Subaru keeps no record of engine numbers of the engines they sell.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby Lostprophet » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:45 pm

Well on a happy note, Nick from Lux racing is ordering my ej207 short block so we can start looking at getting my car back on the road and racing again. Just need to work out how to pull out my old engine and get it to him
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby Alpha Dog » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:23 pm

Hey, in the mod sheet, what does 'Cold Air Intake' really mean? I've removed the resonator from the guard and replaced it with a pipe into the guard with a bell mouth. Otherwise stock air-box, stock paper filter. Is that CAI? Or, is CAI a cone shaped filter that replaces both the stock air-box and filter?

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2016

Postby KuRT12 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:49 pm

Alpha Dog wrote:Hey, in the mod sheet, what does 'Cold Air Intake' really mean? I've removed the resonator from the guard and replaced it with a pipe into the guard with a bell mouth. Otherwise stock air-box, stock paper filter. Is that CAI? Or, is CAI a cone shaped filter that replaces both the stock air-box and filter?

Thanks.

Hmm, stock airbox & paper filter would be OK as OEM even if plumbing out the resonator.

It would be when you go for an aftermarket section of that with like inguard pod-filter new maf housing etc.

You can always email us for more info if not 100% sure on modifications
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