WRX Motorsport 2018

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WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby KuRT12 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:23 pm

We are excited to announce another fantastic season of Motorsport in 2018. We look forward to welcoming back our previous competitors and are excited for first timers to join our championship.

2018 MOTORSPORT CALENDAR

Our preliminary 2018 calendar has now been sorted. Some dates are still tentative, but unlikely to change.

Please note the information included below is only accurate at the time of this email and it is best to check the our website (http://wrx.com.au/motorsport) for the most up-to-date information.

We will again run a 7 Round championship, with the addition of SubiNats hosted by WRX NSW (non-championship Round) and Rexmas (Non Championship Round /Untimed passenger fun day).

Round 1 20-Jan-2018 Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit
Round 2 4-Mar-2018 Winton Raceway
Round 3 21-Apr-2018 Sandown Raceway
Round 4 1-Jul-2018 Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit
Round 5 11-Aug-2018 Winton Raceway
SUBINATS 31-Aug-2018 & 1-Sep-2018 Sydney Motorsport Park
Round 6 30-Sep-2018 Broadford
Round 7 20-Oct-2018 Sandown Raceway
REXMAS 16-Dec-2018 Sandown Raceway


2018 MOTORSPORT RULES AND CLASS POINTS

Our Motorsport rules and classifications are continually evolving and as such, we have made some minor amendments for this new season.

Some of these changes include, but are not limited to;

*Addition to the infringements section of the Motorsport Rules, where if a competitor breaches track procedures, such as overtaking on yellow a competition point penalty infringement may be dealt out.

*Due to SubiNats being held interstate it will not form a points round of our overall club championship, but instead serve as a single day championship as per the SubiNats rules.

*Engine selection and modification level has been expanded to provide more resolution into varying competitor motor configurations.

*The weight saving category has been expanded to provide more clarification/detail around the level of competitor weight saving in each vehicle.

*The addition of two new sections around aftermarket and upgraded differentials as well as aftermarket sub-frames.

*Additional Safety bonus of 5 points for competitors who invest in race wear for fire protection that complies to the following; Full Face Helmet (3.1 - Level A), Gloves (3.8 - Level A), Boots (3.6 Level A) and EITHER Flame Retardant Outerwear (3.3 - Level C or higher) OR Flame Retardant Underwear (3.4 – Level A) as per Cams Schedule D - Apparel.

*Changes to the Harness/FHR (HANS) safety bonus that now require a FIA Fixed back seat and 5/6 Point Harness complying with CAMS Schedule I - Safety Harnesses / Window Nets.

*Some modification points have been scaled back in the class calculator, and class thresholds balanced to suit.

*Random scrutineering will take place during each round of the Championship, comparing competitors' Mod Score sheets to their actual modifications.

*As per last year, all Championship competitors will be required to submit an electronic copy of their "Mod Score" sheet to the Motorsport team at the start of the year, or prior to event, and will only be required to resubmit this when changes have been made to their vehicle. These sheets will be electronically view-able to all financial members of the club and hyperlinked into the class championship table. This provides transparency between competitors, and allows us to scrutineer more efficiently.

The Revised 2018 Motorsport Rules can be found: HERE
The Revised 2018 Class Calculator can be found: HERE

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby blackrex » Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:49 pm

Hey Kurt, the links don't seem to be working.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby KuRT12 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:59 am

Sorry - this has now been rectified!
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby blackrex » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:22 pm

So, is 645 a large number of points?
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby DANS-14 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:53 pm

So here’s a scenario:

GC with a 207 and stock turbo.

Headstuds cost 25! (How are these mythical bolts so powerful by themselves?)
Alternate turbo 30 (only 5 more, I know which one I’d rather have)
Use E85 30 points ( only 5 more, I know which one I’d rather have)

Is it just me, or does that not seem right?

IMHO these rules often cater for the big end of town without considering how they might impact the lower end. Headstuds with no supporting mods will do next to nothing on a GC with a TD04 for example. Given a few of us put Headstuds in when a block was replaced, it seems a bit unfair to penalise so much for a ‘future-proofing’ mod at the time. Why can’t this be a scale like other things depending on model and/or other mods as there is different potential for a STI with a VF28/34 with studs compared to a TD04 with studs for example.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby closed deck » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:19 am

The issues I see with head studs is nobody knows if you have got them and who is going to remove a rocker cover to check?
They are going to do virtually nothing with a TD04 on a standard bottom end.
So its only going to penalise the honest participants.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby h-are » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:12 pm

I feel the class rules have got better tbh for a club level (Hobby) race series, its not perfect but it is fairly detailed in its points scenario now....

However...... Lets be honest, there are a few different kinds of racers competing...
There are those that want to have some fun on a track. Those that want to just go faster than they can on the road. Those that want to enjoy the build process etc etc... But then there are those that take it fairly seriously and want to win. Is a mod sheet ever going to satisfy all those different types of racers? Ah... No.

For me, Id love to see a power 2 weight class added. Anyway you wanted to structure that Id be in. I really cant see it being that difficult to have an (independent) dyno day at the beginning of the year for people that wanted to participate, where the ecu's were tagged/sealed and the car rolled off onto a set of scales and that % Power2Weight put you in a class to compete against the same P2W cars..... Do what ever mods you want but within 10% or so, you race those cars.

Id like to compete in an even series where its all the driver. Ive looked at other series (and tried a couple too) but I want to race a WRX against other WRX's..... (& BRZ's Zhi... lol!) And there is surely no better place to do that than the WRXclub??

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby DANS-14 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:45 pm

h-are wrote:I feel the class rules have got better tbh for a club level (Hobby) race series, its not perfect but it is fairly detailed in its points scenario now....

However...... Lets be honest, there are a few different kinds of racers competing...
There are those that want to have some fun on a track. Those that want to just go faster than they can on the road. Those that want to enjoy the build process etc etc... But then there are those that take it fairly seriously and want to win. Is a mod sheet ever going to satisfy all those different types of racers? Ah... No.

For me, Id love to see a power 2 weight class added. Anyway you wanted to structure that Id be in. I really cant see it being that difficult to have an (independent) dyno day at the beginning of the year for people that wanted to participate, where the ecu's were tagged/sealed and the car rolled off onto a set of scales and that % Power2Weight put you in a class to compete against the same P2W cars..... Do what ever mods you want but within 10% or so, you race those cars.

Id like to compete in an even series where its all the driver. Ive looked at other series (and tried a couple too) but I want to race a WRX against other WRX's..... (& BRZ's Zhi... lol!) And there is surely no better place to do that than the WRXclub??


I agree that overall there has been some incremental improvements over time with the current system, but there are still some issues with the points allocation that don't seem right or don't work in some scenarios. Either way, the need for a 'points system' of some kind will never go away with moddable cars like ours, the goal is to make it work as well as possible.

While I like the theory of your proposal Kyle, I can't see it working in practice. Grant basically tried to get something like this off the ground a few years ago, and it never happened. It doesn't address the many other factors like chassis, suspension, tyres, aero etc that would end up a money pit and hard to police. I think Club(hobby) level is always going to struggle with running effectively a 'class' competition with such a myriad of cars and mods.

As you say there are different racers: dailys, track cars and some in between. Personally I think the rules do a reasonable job on similar cars with differing mods, but doesn't do a great job of levelling the playing field between dailys and track cars, so this is where I'd like to see some improvements to make it fairer for everyone.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby h-are » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:29 am

The series they tried to get off the ground was a door to door race series wasnt it? A bit different.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby DANS-14 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:08 am

h-are wrote:The series they tried to get off the ground was a door to door race series wasnt it? A bit different.


True, but one of the main issues was trying to set a weight and power limit for cars...

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby closed deck » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:33 am

All you need to do is run a restrictor in the turbo inlet.
They are cheap to make, would cost less than $50 per car. Can be fitted in the inlet of the turbo
and sealed. Very simple. This is why they were used with the rally cars and the GTP cars.
Simple to produce, easy to install, easy to scrutineer and a cheap answer.

The previous control class was over complicated mess. People sunk money into and got nothing.

I believe the main thing that needs to be considered is mods that are going to make the cars more durable and this will
make the competition better for those on a limited budget.Ongoing cost is a huge issue for many people racing.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby h-are » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:17 am

DANS-14 wrote:
h-are wrote:The series they tried to get off the ground was a door to door race series wasnt it? A bit different.


True, but one of the main issues was trying to set a weight and power limit for cars...



Well if that's the case lets never try anything like that again..... lol!

Nah seriously that series required a 3 or 4 grand investment didn't it? Then never went anywhere...

Restrictor is a good option also.

In all honesty I'd like to see a change but I'm not fussed using the mod sheet, after all its the same for everyone.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby DANS-14 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:41 pm

h-are wrote:
DANS-14 wrote:
h-are wrote:The series they tried to get off the ground was a door to door race series wasnt it? A bit different.


True, but one of the main issues was trying to set a weight and power limit for cars...



Well if that's the case lets never try anything like that again..... lol!

Nah seriously that series required a 3 or 4 grand investment didn't it? Then never went anywhere...

Restrictor is a good option also.

In all honesty I'd like to see a change but I'm not fussed using the mod sheet, after all its the same for everyone.


I'm fine with trying something new, as long as there's some interest from enough like minded people. Not sure restrictors by themselves are the answer, it seems to be a bit against the 'mod culture' of the club and only addresses power.

But it seems rather quiet in here... the rules have been out for almost a week, everyone else must be happy??

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby h-are » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:19 pm

Or no one looks at this forum anymore....

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby DANS-14 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:57 pm

h-are wrote:Or no one looks at this forum anymore....


Fair point, but there's not much action on the Facebook post either.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby Lostprophet » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:22 pm

Has anything every come from these "discussions". Maybe most have just given up on it.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby KuRT12 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:19 pm

Hello All,

Sorry for the delay in replying - have had a few hectic days and just catching up on everything now.

Firstly, the rules are moulded heavily around competitor feedback (where reasonable). Kristian and myself have had another discussion today and have decided to allow a minor exception to the headstud rule. This is now built into the latest version of the Calculator and means that headstud points will be exempt if a competitor is using OEM turbo and OEM tune. I will upload the revised Calculator tomorrow for all.

Tony, a lot of our competition points rely on competitor honesty and at the end of the day this is only club level Motorsport. just because we can't verify mods without great difficulty doesn't mean they should simply become "free".

We do float the prospective changes to several competitors and it is always interesting to get varied feedback, as EVERYONE you ask is disadvantaged under the rules.

Regardless of this, i think when we look at our "top" competitors in each class our rules bring significant parity among the playing field. It is unfair to compare someone who is building their car to suit a class and the rules, to the competitor who just rolls up for fun (and may be 40+ points below peak of class) and then state the rules don't bring parity.

Introducing restrictors and control classes is not something we see in implementing as agree it goes against the freedom/mod culture of our rules.

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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby KuRT12 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:22 pm

Also i just received notification today Round 3 @ Sandown may moved from 22-4-17 to 21-4-17, i should know by COB tomorrow.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby closed deck » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:16 am

Im not suggesting any mod should be "free". A restrictor does not go against the mod culture of the club. A restrictor would open up
the option of more mods.
I understand that its club racing and it relies on competitor honesty but as we both know there has been competitors who have blatantly cheated
and said "its only cheating when you get caught".
All that I suggested was a simple and easily monitored approach. This is part of the reason why a restrictor was used in GTP and Rallying. You can also run various diameter restrictors. Im glad to see the head stud rule modified.
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Re: WRX Motorsport 2018

Postby h-are » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:02 am

Kurt, As Ive said above I think you guys have done a good job with the sheet!

Maybe we should ask around to see who would be keen to run in a class that has a restrictor in 2019? Id be keen as I dont want to turn up the power to be competitive in a class.... My engine has lasted 4 years being sub 200kws and Id like to keep it that way.

A class with even powered & weighing cars would be awesome. ATM there is to much variance to say anyone can steer better than anyone else.... But hey maybe thats the way people like it.

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